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260741 No.127721   [Reply]

This might work as a story-based introduction to what all makes a railway work:

Someone finds him- or herself with a stretch of track, a railbus and waiting passengers and parcels. The roads? They are either closed or busy with heavy traffic.
Orig. idea: Disaster zone with rebuild supplies flooding in by road but the old branch line nearly forgot in the rush until someone thinks it could be used for local traffic -- schoolkids, commuters, shoppers...

What (s)he lacks, however, is knowledge. So where to go for details on driving, track maintenance and all of these things? (ding!) A forum or a chan!


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109169 No.127689   [Reply]


Well, all right... the D-stock driving motors Vivarail bought are beginning to make strange rumbling sounds. Five-cylinder prime movers?

>> No.127690  

I understand the benefits of reusing shells and bogies but why reuse old tube stock? Do they just want to torture commuters with cramped loading gauge?

>> No.127691  

The sub-surface loading gauge isn't actually so bad. Not good, but not so bad.

>> No.127692  

Anon2 is right in that this is sub-surface stock, which is not the same as tube stock. See http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Rolling%20Stock.htm for much better info.

>> No.127697  

I think either in the Isle of Man or one of the other UK island bailiwicks, they use choob stock on above-ground third-rail lines.

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That'd be the Isle of Wight, uses 1938 stock tube trains, previously 1923 "Standard" stock, modified to work on regular third rail rather than the LU 4th rail system. This was done when Ryde tunnel's floor needed to be raised to reduce the regular flooding issues, so they needed shorter trains.

For a while, they had best livery ever, with dinosaurs!

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343069 No.127077   [Reply]

Do any railroads still use their telegraph lines for anything or are they just relics of an earlier age?

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>tfw I live in NorCal along a rail line, and both AT&T and the cable company say that there's no service to my address
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Hmm... I have no idea what their value is. Although I read somewhere years ago online that the purple insulators fetch "good money", whatever that is.. no figures were given. I keep meaning to buy the book in this picture, it looks interesting.

And as a side note, the rail line in my region leases its r.o.w. to telecom companies as there is at least one fibre optic backbone buried alongside the tracks.

>> No.127133  


In complete seriousness, it's probably because AT&T uses the line for something else or the line they have along the ROW is just an old analog phone line (ie, a twisted pair of copper wires) that's not capable of modern broadband. And since AT&T, like all utility companies, will never ever actually replace old infrastructure completely (as in, full replacement with destruction of the old line) they're not going to build a whole new line.

Your only other option is satnet.

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>> No.127143  


>My dad's a collector of those glass insulators

I saw a reference to that in a Donal Duck magazine a way back (the topic of the generic 12 page story was hoarding I think) and though that was a joke.

So it is a thing...

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They even said our address "is not in the service area" for a land-line phone. So IDK WTF.

As for Internets, I did consider satnet, but the data limits didn't line up with our household usage habits (between me downloading off of Steam and my mother with her Netflix). Fortunately, there was a local microwave ISP that allowed for unlimited data and reasonable speeds.

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Dude, sell me one of those white ceramic CPR insulators

>> No.127652  

always a story round Christmas of the day my uncle removed the telegraph wires, thinking they were not used any more.
He had coils and coils of it that he'd taken down. Mighty proud of his effort, too. That was some good honest money in those reels of copper he now had!
And he was right.. in part. A few of the lines weren't used any more- but some still were.. How was he to know though- Ping, ping, ping, he cut through and severed them all.
Well the inspector and others weren't impressed to say the least when they discovered the source of this signal break on the line.
They let him off pretty lightly though, since he was just an adventurous farm boy wanting to earn a buck.

>> No.127658  

That's very funny, considering the problems copper thieves cause today. Or beavers.

>> No.127685  

>>127658 LOL thats funny
Well the price of copper did drop like a rock before summer UGH!
So did aluminum cans!
cans are at 20cents a pound in my area UUGGHHH!!
So that killed my trips taking

No.127433   [Reply]

The Brits have been moving their rulebooks around to http://www.rssb.co.uk/railway-group-standards
Clicking on "Rule Books" should get you -- once you get past the forms -- the general rule book (GE/RT 8000) and the freight books, GO/RT 3053 for dangerous goods and '3056 for other things.

>> No.127442  

Great, it looks like they've taken the previous somewhat-awkward-but-sensible-when-you-figure-it-out system and replaced it with something slightly less useful. Thanks, RSSB!

>> No.127672  

http://www.mlit.go.jp/english/2006/h_railway_bureau/Laws_concerning/index.html -- Here be translations into English of various laws and regs pertaining to railways in Japan. (PDF files)

http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/ -- Documents from as far back as 1758 that have something to do with railways, including lots of accident and incident reports.

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81789 No.127660   [Reply]

Do maintenance crews who ride in hi-rail cars ever use the rails to avoid traffic on nearby roads?

>> No.127661  

If there is an advantage to using the rails to get from Railroad point A to Railroad point B, and they can get the track occupancy for it, maybe. Most of the MOW trucks I see 'round here take the crowded streets, regardless of the relatively quiet tracks.

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>> No.127663  

On a particularly busy stretch of track, I can't imagine they'd get away with it. Implying they're enough to trip the block occupancy detectors, they'd probably have to wait longer for signal clearance on the rails than it would take them to get there on the road. And if not, they'd have to be able to stop quick enough before hitting an oncoming train and get off the tracks before it gets there.

>> No.127664  

They'll do it a lot if the driving distance is much further than the rail distance amd they can get authority.

>> No.127666  

That's not at all how it works when joint with track workers and using hi-rail vehicles.

Signals do not give them authority. They have track authorities.

>> No.127668  
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"TOP for foreman Waddles on main track between Banff East -b a n f f e a s t - and Massive east - m a s s i v e e a s t - protect against movement etc call RTC before he goes on a 20 minute washroom break now read back to me before I fall asleep"

>> No.127669  

well NARCOA does travel on short lines,on abandoned rails,out of service rails or soon to be abandoned rails

>> No.127670  


>now read back to me before I fall asleep

Friggin track workers man...

I was following them the other week and they ran through a siding switch and tried to cover it up. It was hilarious when he tells the RTC the switch is lined, locked, and spiked for the main. I about fell out of my chair.

No.127544   [Reply]

What the fuck is the purpose of 1chan? Is this just a big joke?

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Chiba was one of those things for me. I didn't really know why I wanted to go there, besides seeing the monorail. Then I went to a department store and bought some bento to enjoy in front of Soga station and amused myself at various sights. This building even had a cross on the roof, but it was a marriage centre :P

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You can't have enough fun in Chiba.

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You would...

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sup newfag

yes, we really do like trains. We've been doing it for a while now and will likely be sitting in the background for the future as 4chan's /n/ is now filled with bikefags that should really be on /asp/

Also, this comment doesn't deserve it's own thread but I'd like to point out that it's an exciting time to be a railfan/railfag in the US. In the next ten years we'll have the Grow America Act (bipartisan act that amends the federal highway act so that rail projects can get money), CA HSR, as well as new Hudson Tunnels (via Gateway) and possibly plans for razing the travesty that is Madison Square Garden and rebuilding Penn Station. Even though a lot of rail plans have been stalled (see the shit going down in Michigan and Wisconsin), Florida will have a good basis for HSR and Dixieland area states are looking at making the Southern Crescent semi-HSR as well (the EIRs are in the works right now, Jim Webb was one of the big backers). Even LA itself is expanding it's light rail via Measure R. Point is while a lot of work still needs to be done, a lot of work has been done and the end of the tunnel (decent American pax rail service) can be seen. In twenty years, Amtrak might actually be able to get all their NEC upgrades planned so they can have consistent 110mph Boston-DC service.

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Also, it needs to be said that both SLC and Denver of all places are making investments in rail too. Denver has their own electrified(!) train now, SLC added the Frontrunner. These are all very good things.

The only issue is that as of right now, the feds don't have their shit together. Obama/the democrat's original plan for funding rail projects via the 2009 stimulus resulted in a political mess in 2011 when GOP governors (who had the best of intentions) returned the money. Hence why the GAA is so important, it makes for a standardized and reliable method of funneling federal money into state level rail projects. It's not the end all, but it's a positive change regardless.

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1105278 No.127650   [Reply]

On yet another note. Apparently Hanshin got a new train earlier this month.

>> No.127667  

So Hanshin is still semi-independent, then? Was kinda wondering if they'd end up as Hankyu's second-lifer.

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346752 No.127624   [Reply]

KiHa 201. With 450hp per each of its six bogies/trucks, it just has to be one of the most powerful DMUs in the world. Bells, there are freight locos out there with less power!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTI-0ZypaQc -- As seen in this clip, it can run in multiple with a 731 series EMU. Perhaps others, too.

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Holy shit. That's more power than a VLo which has 560kW per car and the FLIRT. I wonder how it takes off. The VLo at full notch can accelerate almost as quickly as a commuter train.

Have a crude picture (I forget why I first made this a while ago).

>> No.127629  

What I have found on the Web describes the 201 as pretty much a dieselised 731 (which is, it says, also the only EMU that will run in multiple with the 201). The figures I have seen for the 731 are: Initial launch of 2.2m/s per second (8km/h per second), tapering off from 60km/h towards 1.3m/s/s (4.7km/h/s) as it approaches its 120km/h maximum service speed.

Seems the 201 needs all that power to keep up with the 731 in acceleration. 0-100 in, what, 15 seconds or so? Not that bad for an empty weight of 118 tons.


>> No.127631  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enZJ-RibIwY -- A KiHa 201 telling Jeremy Clarkson to plug his cakehole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sui87nWXLY0 -- The speedo in a 201 rises rises almost like a tacho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwba2rzIyKI -- Ouch. That's a bad case of clag, there.

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I think there's a bit of oops there. The wiki says 2.2km/h/s, which sounds much more realistic (and on par with the JR East commuter trains, along with things like the 215.
2.2m/s/s would be truly something out of this world train wise, putting it ahead of maglevs. However, the video linked clearly shows its acceleration in practice is definitely higher than 2.2km/h/s.

For reference, the VLo accelerates at 3.3km/h/s or 0.9m/s/s, which puts it on par with a typical commuter train.

On note of DMU though, I always liked the 283. There's just something about the look of its shape when it tilts.

>> No.127649  

For reference


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1828738 No.127418   [Reply]

Should you venture into Darkest Hessia, you will find the Wetterau region... and the Wetterau Railway Society (Eisenbahnfreunde Wetterau).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6A1bRQk8MM -- An ex-army https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmachtslokomotive_WR_360_C_14 road shunter/switcher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jtePLVrgpE -- A https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Typ_Bismarck tank locomotive.

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>> No.127541  


In essen region they have 3 or 4 different systems (tram, light rail, S-bahn and state railways). The Standard gauge fully separated light rail is sharing tunnel sections with metre gauge tram.

I think this is the most extensive mixed standard region in Northern Europe, though Madrid is probably the European if not world king of rail-incompatibility, they don't share ROW though I think, just that whenever they have built a new metroline, its in different standard, because why not?

>> No.127593  


A very messy mixed consist is sometimes called a "Dog's Breakfast", that's probably closer to what you mean

>> No.127595  


I was under the impression that "Dogs Breakfast" wasn't so much interchangeable with "mixed train" as it is "A buncha bullshit we happened to pick up on our way into the yard."

>> No.127597  

"Country train" sounds like the sort of thing that would come out of the Prison Colonies. Here in good old Blighty there was a blanket ban on non-bogie wagons in passenger service from the 1960s on, and apart from an oddity in Scotland we haven't seen them since, other than the odd parcels trailer on the back of a DMU on some branch lines, which didn't count as a mixed train because reasons.

>> No.127598  

I think the other Aussies (the Austrians, that is) use that term, but am unsure about exactly what. Right now I think a Landeszug is a short passenger train, possibly with a goods or parcel car, that works a branch line.


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No doubt many will think that the Austrian 2143 (and 2043) series diesels are odd critters. They are four-axlers (B'B') with a 1500hp engine that drives the axles via a juice tranny. It also has a genset to provide ETH/HEP and a donkey for the compressor. All in all, three diesel engines in one frame.

>> No.127609  

yup Rockies & Sierra Mtns it looks like
BNSF & UP cross those

>> No.127618  


I disagree, this looks like Southern Oregon/ Northern California Cascade Range. Nice shots though.

>> No.127634  

What? No-one called me on putting an Skd 206 where the WR 360 was supposed to be? How discouraging...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewPBVPtSUT8 -- Anyway, here's the clip I intended to put in.

>> No.127636  

Excuse me while I go bawl in my pint...

Steam in the Harz mountains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ba9X1XFkdo -- A pair of Newbuilds and a Mallet on the Trans-Harz line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRLJyugcIxE -- A wet and chilly autumn day with next to no traction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjYa2GOaJI4 and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIFgqSEDLZA -- Wintertime in the mountains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkLiAHAHKBQ -- Wonderful Easter-time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqd-DIk3hk -- in March 2012 (1h13m)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKfocH27yWc - in October 2012 (1h38)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41nxwA9r5bg -- 125th anniversary of narrow-gauge rail in the mountains. (0h52m)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACwBm7DqZSE -- All 'round the Harz... (19m39s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY_SiIHAtGU -- Wernigerode calling...

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33312 No.127146   [Reply]

This is a simple table of the number of current operating steam locomotives around the world by country per steamlocomotive dot info. I WAT'd at China.

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>> No.127224  


That's a fairly impressive train length for such a small, low-power locomotive.

>> No.127235  

I'd say they could be empties, but it really just might be able to pull all that weight.

>> No.127237  

As a chemical engineer in training, I find it rather amusing how well fireless steam locos work as a transport system solution to areas where ignition sources are prohibited. It's also worth taking the time to appreciate (read your steam tables!) how much energy is present in superheated steam and which can still be easily transferred.

Though the best part as I see it is how it ended up working being more cost effective than the usual methods such as pipes or regular rail hardware.

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Interesting specimen from USA, an ex-steam-powered-fireless-cooker converted/restored to run on compressed air.

>> No.127240  


>Those footboards

I thought they were totally banned.

>> No.127549  

I wish steamlocomotive dot info would do a better job keeping their info up-to-date, specifically in regards to operational status. It feels like it has not been pro-actively or consistently updated in about a decade.

>> No.127551  

Lol.. pics or it's an urban myth.

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>> No.127575  

>>127549 Protip the guy who runs that site is a stuck up ass hole.

>> No.127635  

So, I just looked at other sites about steam trains in China and I found this:
It seems the last main line revenue steam train trip in China (the world's last in fact) happened on 8 December 2005. I also read from other places that operational sugar cane steam trains in Indonesia and Cuba are no more or getting close to it. This more-or-less confirms my concern that steamlocomotive dot info is a dinosaur of a website that needs to be put out of its misery.

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