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File: 1526937558455.jpg (66.75 KB, 500x330, 500px-PortlandStreetcar5.jpg)

 No.5710

Does anyone find it weird that Škoda makes small quantities of trams for overseas use, when nobody in America uses their cars? We have like 1 or two trams here in Tacoma.

 No.5711

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cool post lol

 No.5735

How do you feel of being an inhabitant of a conurbation that demonstrably has a so called 'meme streetcar'?

 No.5736

>>5710
Not really, especially when you think about all the places that GM used to export EMD locomotives to.

 No.5751

>>5710

Portland got a few more of those Skodas, though they ended up being license-built in the US.

>>5736

Like Mexico, Brazil, and even Panama (even if it was technically the Murrican part)?

 No.5752

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To be honest, I'm not really aware of this "meme streetcar", guess I'm out of the loop

 No.5758

File: 1527814450811.jpg (1.1 MB, 2568x1718, Skoda_10T_car_1003_of_Taco….jpg)

>>5710

Three, actually.

 No.5762

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>>5758

Any special liveries on the Tacoma LINK these days? Or are they all done up in the regular blue wave?

 No.5765

File: 1528147225141.jpg (1.25 MB, 1440x960, TLink_Train2.jpg)

>>5762

I'm pretty sure that most are done in the blue wave

 No.6799

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another eastern european tram

 No.6801

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>>6799
Sice we touched "other Eastern European trams" topic…

Heres a Vityaz-M low-floor tram created in Russia by a local company PC Transport Systems (ПК Транспортные Системы).

They have rather innovative bogies which are rotational with the highly compact 75 kW AC motors directly underneath the floor, with all this still allowing for a fully low-floor vehicle, and compared to other designs it gives a bonus with much wider gangways.

Moscow has already 230+ of these, also the series works in St. Petersburg and Krasnodar.

Which looks better in your opinion, Solaris or Vityaz-M?

 No.6810

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In some central European trams they leave the roof semi-open, so all the electrical equipment, AC, resistors and what have you are open to the elements. That wouldn't fly here.

>>5752
You know, these short downtown circulators. Portland streetcar is the longest in the nation and that's 10 miles, crying out loud.

Plus, these cars are tiny, there's poor separation of modes. Like 2000s monorail. Furthermore, your domestical manufacturer's tech is 1 or 2 generations behind, no wonder European tram manufactururer's designs get bought or license build.

 No.6811

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I case you aren't a huge nerd or the Finns on the other forums (we seem to have agents everywhere) haven't made it clear, that's officially Skoda Forcity Smart Artic.

It's an independent subsidiary named Transtech in bumbfuck Kainuu, in all honesty this vehicle they have developed really should have been its own product line.

Here's a render of the variant made for Tampere. What I like in these is that they still look like damn trams, not space vehicles, even if Helsinki Artic has been called "pepe-tram", even.

 No.6813

File: 1550153791964.jpg (79 KB, 769x577, tn_fi-raide-jokeri_Artic_X….jpg)

And while I'm rambling, here's again, a render of the mumble-mumble Artic XL for Helsinki new circular ligtrail, which's construction should start this year. (Tampere is alrady under construction.

This design, if final (Tampere is final) is dangerously spacey to my taste, though not as bad as some French designs. (Tours Tron-tram or Strasbourg or Lille, Also Bordeaux and Caen are pretty bad.)

These two are all just imaginary future trams, though the manufacturing of Tampere model has started. The series will be small though and then they will start doing Artic XL. Nice that at least few years there will be work.

/rant

 No.6815

File: 1550156150009.jpg (5.33 MB, 4608x3072, Artic_XL_mockup.JPG)

Alright, ranting a little more.

Due to light low floor era, block zoned zity loading gauge light rail vehicle manufacturing has kind of diverged into its own specialized branch of rolling stock industry. Now, look closely the bogie and door arrangements of those vehicles. They are all freely turning too, though off-center. The XL-model goes a step further and uses newtonian linkages. In short, these are works of art, as are those Bonbardiers of Linz Pöstlingbergbahn or on that matter, the products of PK Transportnye Sistemy :)

The mockup doesn't look too terrible.

On a lighter note, there was this South African exchange student vlogger, who made a remark of why certain things are all the same here, like siccors, knives faucets, locks, bicycles, bus shelters… This is a small coutry thing, that there is one single near monopoly manufacturer for certain random things. Now, what is a different matter that in America there only really seem to be Brookville Equipment Corporation's Liberty Streetcar left, now that United Streetcar went bust.

 No.6820

>>6815
I can't speak for the other cities that have bought them, but here in Dallas the Brookville cars haven't been especially reliable.

Tex, if you see this, as someone on the inside, do you have any insight into what the problem is with the streetcars? I remember hearing that 2 of the 4 were delivered inoperable, and it seems that if 1 goes out of service, there isn't a backup (though I assume this could be more an issue of the broken down car blocking the tracks).

 No.6830

>>6820
I wasn't around for delivery, so I don't know about the start up issues. I'll ask a friend of mine though; she's been on them since day one.

More recently, the streetcars have been doing better. I think the last major problem they had was brakes not functioning properly. They'd apply just fine, thankfully, but they wouldn't release. This would happen at random. Another big issue wasn't even the cars' fault - a lot of operators simply forgot to put the pantograph down before going off wire. The wire starts again right at the proper height, so hitting that would rip the pans clean off. There's been a few issues with doing body work because the Liberty cars use a LOT of fiberglass panels as compared to the all steel light rail vehicles, so no one in the body shop really knew how to do repairs at first.

As to how the various issues were fixed, it's kind of a mystery. Dallas signed a contract allowing Brookville to do all of the work on these teething issues themselves. If at any point a Brookville representative wants to do work on any proprietary part or using a proprietary method, they can clear out every single DART employee from the barn, no questions asked. It's been interesting.

 No.6835

Thank God these weird novelty circulators are already falling out of a favour; the number of them being proposed was starting to be pretty ridiculous. I kind of wonder how many of the lines that did get built will even receive a second generation of rolling stock vs. those that will just be abandoned and paved over once the LRVs become life expired.

 No.6844

>>6835
Well like few systems, such Portland, Seattle or Milwaukee could turn out to be ok once they are given some time. This class of modern light rail vehicle is really kind of new to the America; previosly early 2nd gen light rails were there heavily separate half trains like can be see n in Salt Lake City, Dallas or San Diego.

In places like Tacoma, Tempe, Cincinnati or Memphis Paso I cannot see what is the planned end game there, unless it's like as said, they get "paved over once the LRVs become life expired."

DC used to look like as it had potential and solid plan in place, but it turned out an exercise of the most pathological way of running an American urban development project.

In long time ago I saw a picture of possible Dallas streetcar expansion to South-Eest, where it could have formed it's own kind of Boston green line regionally limited system, but since I can't find a peep about it anymore, supposedly it was too grandiose for the time being :(

All in all you Americans would desperately need to see one of these 2nd generation modern streetcars frowing up from the "dowmtown circulator" forming its own independent system that offers additional high frequency service at the core regions of thelarger transportation network. Like Portland Streetcar getting Lake Oswego line or a few East-West lines running. Sadly, nothing like that there or elsewhere in the immediate future, it seems.

Anyway, this is my outsider view of things.

 No.6848

>>6844
>In long time ago I saw a picture of possible Dallas streetcar expansion to South-Eest, where it could have formed it's own kind of Boston green line regionally limited system, but since I can't find a peep about it anymore, supposedly it was too grandiose for the time being :(
I don't know about that. Dallas always kind of surprises me in terms of how much transit infrastructure they actually manage to build. I honestly never expected the downtown subway to happen after sitting in limbo since the inception of the system but here we are and it looks like it might actually happen. So I wouldn't rule it out taking that into consideration.
Like, it's kind of astonishing to think that the Fort Worth-Dallas metro region has been one of the most active regions in terms of rail transit deployment in the last two decades. The low ridership levels on DART still baffle me though.

 No.6850

>>6848
The high mileage and low ridership of the DART light rail is simply due to the fact that DART gobbled up existing right of way and just slapped down light rail service. Unfortunately, this lead to service to areas that didn't really need it while by passing high population centers. The north ends of the blue and red lines are excellent case examples of this. The blue line follows the old MK&T right of way and doesn't get a lot of riders. The red line, on the other hand, follows what used to be the Texas Electric Railway and serves communities that built up around that right of way. I always, without fail, get more riders on my red line runs than the blue line runs.

 No.6851

>>6850
Have there been no initiatives to 'resolve' this issue by prioritizing TOD along the underused corridors? Is this partly a case of one metro area being governed by 70 different municipal governments?

 No.6852

>>6851
Pretty much, yeah. Since DART is a multi-member city, getting them to agree on anything is like herding cats. Plano and Richardson have done pretty well with TODs around Cityline/Bush and Downtown Plano stations, but Dallas hasn't done much. Hell, even Carrollton and Farmer's Branch along the north end of the green line have done some pretty cool things around their stations. A small TOD has popped up next to White Rock station, but that's really it in Dallas proper. Most people either drive or take a bus to a train station.

The south ends of the red, blue, and green lines are dismal. Dallas tends to neglect the part of the city to the south and southeast, and the areas around the three lines I mentioned are just god awful. High crime rates, no actual grocery stores, and poverty out the wazoo. It really doesn't help property values in the slightest that between Illinois and Ledbetter stations, the blue line runs in the median of Lancaster Road and we have to use the horn (instead of the quieter whistle) at every crossing. When service started, they used whistles, but there are so many people roaming the streets and driving who are drunk or high that they just didn't hear the trains at all. There were several fatalities along that stretch and its crossings. I've had a few close calls, and I've seen countless people ignoring the warning signs and either running a red light to cross the tracks right in front of me or just walking across like it's no big deal.

In short, Dallas is fucked up, and better transit alone won't help that at all.

 No.6853

>>6852
Well, that's a shame. On the plus side, I guess it means they're sure not to outstrip transit capacity for a few decades.

>Plano and Richardson have done pretty well with TODs around Cityline/Bush and Downtown Plano stations, but Dallas hasn't done much. Hell, even Carrollton and Farmer's Branch along the north end of the green line have done some pretty cool things around their stations. A small TOD has popped up next to White Rock station, but that's really it in Dallas proper. Most people either drive or take a bus to a train station.

Damn, I see what you mean, the urbanism on display in those areas is surprisingly well done for suburbs in the Sun Belt. I'll keep those developments in mind next time somebody blurts out some nonsense about it being impossible to do TOD in American suburbs.

>When service started, they used whistles, but there are so many people roaming the streets and driving who are drunk or high that they just didn't hear the trains at all

Oh God I didn't realize DART used whistles at first. I thought Metrolink was the one system to have had ever used whistles on LRVs.

 No.6854

When you are saying horn, do you mean like train horn or truck horn?

Whistle, no bell at all?

>>6848
>South-Eest
Meant to say South-West, but do carry on.

 No.6855

>>6853
Add Mockingbird station to that list. Somehow I completely forgot about it. It's the one bastion of an awesome TOD in Dallas.

>>6854
DART light rail vehicles are equipped with three audible warning devices: an air whistle, a three chime horn, and a gong. The gong is push button controlled, with each button press ringing the gong once. The gong is typically only used when entering/departing stations.

Truth be told though, the whistles are *almost* pointless when traveling above ~30 mph, as the train noise is louder than the whistle. That could be solved by having the whistle chimes cleaned out during the periodic maintenance routines, but that requires extra effort from the shop, so I guess vehicles and pedestrians can go fuck themselves since we use whistles at most crossings.

 No.6910

My preferite Skoda is the 15t



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