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So why wouldn't we start the first RZD thread on the new 1chan?

As usual: I provide you with stuff, you provide me with questions and topics for discussion on the subject. Something like this basically.
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Thank you. If only there would be a little more interaction…
But wait, why does this thread still go up?

What are these anyway?


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Nice that you asked. These are the rail tractors I mentioned in June >>4169, copy of German Breuer design. They have been chilling at the end of a stub track in Turku rail yard (freight side) for the whole summer, so it wasn't that hard a spotting job, I've just been busy/lazy. They have been sold to Haapamäki rail museum, the beaten up Tve1 shunter is still a working unit in Turku roundhouse- since 1964.

39 units Mmde by Valmet in 1956-1959 and given littera "Trr", but usually known as "kisko Kalle" meaning "track Carl", by royal name translation convention… Wow, we actually still do that - the Swedish kung is know as "Kaarle Kustaa" in Finnish. (By cartoon character name translation it'd be "popeye".)

But enough rambling, the idea with these is to be short and light enough to fit into a turntable with their load. They are only 3.5 m long and weight 6 t and had 80-105 hp engine, Tampella 504A / Deutz F6L-514 / Volvo MD 67C. There is also a hydraulic lift for gaining extra traction by raising the other end of a pulled vagon. With tailwind they can move about 400 tonnes 20 km/h. People say it is earplug loud in the cab, as it is directly above the engine.

Also took a picture of "porduck" statue, far and with shitty phone camera, but it counts - there's railway too. (This is between Turku station and Kupittaa, from university's parking lot.


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And I kept digging a little more. The Tampella engine actually ran on petrol. And these were made by Tampella, not Valmet.

Here some stolen pixels again, pulling estimated 186 tonnes.

Maybe the bump limit is 200 hidden posts.


>>4768 – Breuer? No wonder it reminded me of something. The Danes had some Breuers, too. Found a pic of one, FFJ M1207, now serving on the Limfjord Railway. It’s nicknamed The Wardrobe. Rumour has it that it hauled passenger trains at times during WW2.

Driver’s Manual for the critter (all ten pages of it):




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So essentially they are what we would call a motovoz (Kleinlokomotive as known in Europe apparently) but man, I didn't know they can be THAT small. I would never thought this thing can move on its own. First I assumed this is some non-motorized maintenance thingy.
Our TMV-2 hyrail traction module by the big scary Uralvagonzavod, which is essentially a small Chetra (Chelyabinsk tractor works) tractor chassis with the hyrail equipment, is even bigger.


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In fact here in Russia the definition of the motovoz, auto-draisine and railcar have kinda merged into one kind of apparatus which looks mostly like this.
Even though the names (and even corresponding Wiki pages) are still different, it looks like it is mostly up to the manufacturer how to name its another cute little creation.

So what are the buplimit now? It looks the thread still goes up like the immortal Lenin.
By the way the 100th anniversary of the October Revolution anyone?


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Or like this. You got the idea.

Oh. And I forgot to say officially on RZD they are all known as SSPS or special self-propelled rolling stock if translated.


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And even this 82-ton 500 HP monstrosity by Remputmash is still known as railcar (avtomotrisa).

By the way this thing is very unique. It is a freakin' LEGO on the rails, both working modules and cab modules are detachable and can be swapped literally on the go by the included crane (you can see on the farther side) and yes, farther to the crane module is on some moving platform so the crane can reach it too or some other crane and it seems it's the regular fittings so you can even load here a 20-feet container by some strange reason. Thus, this thing can do literally anything you want to from moving people and cargo to repairing catenary, digging, dragging, drilling etc.

I'm actually curious, does any country have something similar to this or is it our original design? Never seen anything similar before, not in the railcar form anyway.


I've certainly never seen anything like that before. That's wild!


>>4790 – A two-axled locomotive is also referred to as a ‘tractor’ in various places. A ‘switching tractor’ is a small switcher that may be driven by a yardman with the proper ticket.


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On Space-1520 every vehicle created with the sole purpose of moving cars is designated as locomotive (a teplovoz which usually refers to a diesel locomotive if it has ICE as a prime mover), regardless of how small it is. Like this TGM23B for instance.

By the way forgive my limpy English, I just gave up doublechecking my messages for mistakes before submitting (whether for saving time or because of excessive self confidence, I'm not sure myself). Because of fast pace of typing and a shitty keyboard I make a lot of grammar mistakes and typos in both languages, they are just much harder to spot in a non-native one.


You've been making typos? News to me.


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That's pretty rad gear. In microcosmos-1524, it's all Tka6-Tka8, called "rail lorries", even if, as dissected little below, show a wide pedigree of origins.

I can't find the exact number in service, but 29, 80 and 25 were manufactured. Tka6 by a little company "Saarlahti" based on refurbished freight truck bodies and they also made the only Tka9 around in 2007. Tka7 was inhouse job by VR, Tk8 too, but based on an earlier light shunter Tve4. (Not unlike >>4768) The usual rules of outsourced motors, electronics etc. anything but black iron welding really, probably apply.

These were originally based on real lorry bodies and designated as the errand engines in the least of the lest stations, to shunt only few cars at the time. Somewhere on the line it started to mean this specialized track maintenance vehicle.

Tka7 was nicknamed "Simo", after the supervisor in the workshop (in Kuopio) that assembled these.

Does it have a nickname equal to "wanker?"

It went by name "outhouse" as well.

Nice reading, this weird Swedish. Thanks for sharing.


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>These were originally based on real lorry bodies and designated as the errand engines in the least of the lest stations

To clarify, some units were, but most went straight to track maintenance duty. By experience with these, as tonnages grew, it became clear that a "light shunter" was a dying breed.

Here's a real rail lorry, by Sisu.


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I see. So as usual it seems our gear is somewhat more of a "heavy duty" than in Europe.
I can't recall us having any converted avtomotrisas other than hyrail vehicles which are, by the way, pretty new to the Russian practice.

All of the SSPS (except >>4793) is initially designed for a single maintenance purpose, sometimes a couple of them at a time (like transporting workers in a 8-or-so-seat cabin and having a crane or a hydraulic arm) and are produced largely by the Remputmash group (this name should be actually familiar even to some non-cheekibreeki countries as they - by some - are believed to be "second after Plasser&Theurer" both technologically and by their market share), also by such enterprises as Muromteplovoz or Tikhoretsk engineering works.

Well sometimes I skip some letters with this atrocious keyboard but I think most mistakes happen when I, while typing one sentence, compose another one in my head, so some of the words or meanings might bleed to whatever I'm typing. Not such a big deal after all I think.


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> like transporting workers in a 8-or-so-seat cabin
Not in this case obviously, more likely like this AGS30P. And DO NOT ask me to sort out these names for you, because there is no unified system in their designation unlike with locomotives or multiple units (mostly because of what I mentioned earlier, that there are multiple ways you can name a railcar in Russia).


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And speaking of hyrails, I think only the hyrail-equipped UAZ Patriot SUV (yeah, that UAZ which makes their great vehicles in the same city where Lenin was born dunno why I even mention this, LOL) of all which rides our rails by itself can compare with this tiny thing >>4768 (by the sum of its dimensions I think).


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> Does it have a nickname equal to "wanker?"

Ummm… Is it the only association which the side rods on a locomotive bring up?

Actually, this is an interesting topic because the wheelslip on the locomotive in Russia is officially described by the word which roughly translates as boxing (боксование, probably shortened from боксирование which in its turn translates as boxing) so it is believed that historically this term was born as during the wheelslip on a steam locomotive the fast movement of rods can be perceived similarly to the intense boxer attack so essentially what was a joke 150 or so years ago now became an official term.

But no, I haven't ever heard this loco called wanker nor boxer and this makes perfect sence because with steam engines it would be too damn much different types to call with one nickname. Actually I don't even know any universally accepted nickname for it despite TGM23 is very popular series present throughout all 1520 mm railways.


>>4829 – It has to have been a drop-down-drunk that came up with ‘wanker’ for a side-rodder. Admittedly, I am far more likely to think of a salmon or trout.


Literal it would ba a "wank", but I don't English works like that.

It's not like "wanker" explicitly means what you seem to think it mans. But Dv16

But what can I say, it's 5 am and I'm desperately chugging beer for the slight sedative effect.


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Literal it would ba a "wank", but I don't think English allows that.

It's not like "to wank" explicitly means what you seem to think it mans. Apparantly, doing mostly shunting A "meadium heavy" version of a solid medium Dv15 (larger wheel diameter, intercooler), which had identical exterior, but was made and discarded a few years earlier. Plus, these were made about 50 each, while there also were About 250 mostly Identical "Dv" and "Dr" engines that looked very similar,

So small systems, it's like you'd spot a single class II for your entire life. We don't need too many more thread and I'd have the whole littera covered on engines all engines that have ever been.

But what can I say, it's 5.30 am and I'm desperately chugging beer for the slight sedative effect.


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They used to overheat a lot, often keeping the hood open preventively.

Also not that drunk, just typing in the dark. (Bed.)


I would say we'll still be here when you wake up, but on recent form that seems like it would be tempting fate.


Mind, here a ’wanker is a pump-action shotgun.


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> That overly complicated coupler

Pardon the extremely silly question but do you guys use SA-3 or the "shame-on-you-EU-this-is-21st-century-for-fuck's-sake-are-you-even-serious" coupling system after all?

Or are you in a middle of the transition (I hope so at least)? I never paid much attention to that. Sorry if you've already mentioned this.


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And speaking of size again, THIS is considered a small loco here. Despite it is being larger than a 4-axle KamAZ dumptruck.


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No, new freight cars (for timber) with only chain hook have been bought to this day. Only engines have SA-3 and maybe some ore cars, ironically stuff that's most likely to be delivered in fixed rakes. I didn't manage to find a reference to pictures or which litteras even, just some vague talk there are such SA-3 cars.

The cars that are used for military trains apparently have SA-3. (like Rbnqss-v and Sdggnqss-w)

Modern DMU's and EMU's use Scharfenberg.
Helsinki tram uses Albert.

An argument which is always mentioned with SA-3 is "they have slack!"


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Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance - coupler.

Is that a "children's railway" -locomotive, by the way :D


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Also, the new electric "Sr3" has entered service.

Siemens Vectrons with last mile capacity.

Output 6 400 kW electric or 360 kW diesel. Top speeds: 200 km/h electric, 20 km/h diesel. Diesel range about 100 km.

This means some Sr1's will be discarded.


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Sorry I have kinda disrupted normal discussion by not answering too long.

Now this looks inconvenient, almost as if you have stuck in the middle of the transition.

> An argument which is always mentioned with SA-3 is "they have slack!"

They do but this is irrelevant for freight cars while the passenger cars should have gapless coupling devices. This is how we do this now, most new passenger cars and all Russian-designed EMUs are equipped with BSU-3 or BSU-4, non-automatic gapless coupler rated for impressive 150 ton-forces and designed specifically for use on a passenger rolling stock.

Also passenger cars may have buffers, you know. They do not completely eliminate reactions in the train but soften them to a degree they are barely noticeable. Although at least one pair of faulty buffers may cause a catastrophe inside the train with flying glasses of tea and passengers. I've been there:)

So essentially RZD starts to use SA-3 only for freight traffic with BSUs for the passenger trains.


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It is. I think TU2 are only present on children's railways now. Too bad, they look so much better than TU7.

Oh, and by the way, MERRY CHRISTMAS Y'ALL!


Great pics! And Merry Christmas to you.


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Hey everyone! Writing this from the 2018 already.

HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all! For the good tracks, healthy rolling stock and great passengers:) You are so nice bunch of people!


I still have 8 hrs to go until 2018, На здоровье!

That is a beautiful picture! I would love to go hiking and exploring in those mountains.


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Без проблем, бро:) С Новым Годом!
Actually I'm surprised how many foreigners try to fit "на здоровье" into any situation while practically it is just a response to gratitude and not a gratitude by itself. Anyway, /me being too snobby.

By the way, I like to see Siemens Vectron with SA-3 coupler. If there was also Taurus with SA-3…

Also, I wonder why everyone uses the diesel-generator for the autonomous driving on the electric (man, they are electric, not diesel-electric!) locomotives whereas you could more effectively fill the space the DGU takes up with powerful battery which will be more than enough for the movement without cars.


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> Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance - coupler.

This is how that thing on your photo called? Can't really tell how it works, doesn't actually look like your regular SA-3 to THAT AWFUL THING adapter …or does it?

By the way, this is Ver(k)hneangarskiy mountain range just near the Noviy Uoyan, if you're wondering.

Oh, and yes, why this picture? Because this is exactly what kind of winter we have now in the "central Russia".


Ah drat!… sorry about the misuse. I had a funny feeling it was incorrect (western ignorance and all). I was drinking some (okay, lots of) Canadian rye at the time with a couple of friends. I'm surprised I could type as well as I did. :) We remembered the scene in "Gravity" where George Clooney reaches under his seat in a Soyuz capsule and pulls out a bottle of vodka, He takes a swig and utters that statement. It sounds cool… kinda like "Cheers!" just before downing it. hehheh

One of the disappointments in life was when I moved away in the middle of my grade 10 year when I was 15. I had a high school teacher who was a former USAF 'COMINT' officer fluent in russian and had started teaching me the basics. He had lots of neat cold war stories too.

Anyways, sorry for the thread drift. Back to the trains!


Oops, forgot to add this to my previous response. I just google mapped that area, it's beautiful! It looks a lot like many coastal areas & northern British Columbia here.


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Well yeah, It's actually "friendship bond" collegually, and "auxiliary chain link" officially. The collegual name very much refers to the "YYA-treaty", because the thing was originally used only with Russian rolling stock, before they started converting the engines to SA-3 in the late 80s.

Sr2 and Sr3 have "Unilink" cupler, which have a retracting bar with a hook so a chain may be properly tightened. The loopy thing on the diesels is called "Vapiti". I have no idea what the correct comemrcial names, if any, for these sort of couplers are, neither in English nor Finnish.

Here's a "defaced" Sr1, with chain hook, next to an Sr13, a French design (but again, built partly in Finland, because post-war European protectionism. 2060 kW, dual engine diesel-electric. Note how Sr1 in comparison looks properly frowny, and it also has the proper hue of red and yellow, in case one misses the huge "MADE IN USSR" brass plaque on its side.


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But here's an another Sr1 embarrassing moment, not only is this Sr1 defaced, but pulling all wooden R (for Riihimäki) commuter train. These cars still had a decade to go, by the way, because they were like last made and the long distance commuter/urban trains have tended to have the oldest cars.


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But herer's a front view. This and the vapiti are not tightened any way if I understand right, so they leave great slack.

Plus, the ore cars I mentioned actually have already been discarded, it was a set of 70 gondola cars bought from the Soviet Union for internal use (Littera Eaov), made in 1978. There also were 5 almost identical Finnish made Eao-cars that served as adaptors and have left the service only in the past 2 years. Now there are only Russian Vok's.


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"For small and large shipments; this train weight 2.7 million kg".

It has SA-3 in the other end, but here used as a safety separator car between two rakes of "Sonk" propane/butane cars for reason I'm not fully sure, maybe the train will be split later.


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Now I clearly see that Finland is the most unique convergence of EU and Russian rail standards and engineering solutions. Still would have just a bit more respect for VR should they choose SA-3 for the main coupler:)


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Oh, and it looks like this thread is ended. Or is it? Need someone who runs this site to confirm.

Anyway, in case it is the bumplimit, this thread was actively afloat for 1 YEAR, 2 MONTHS and 11 DAYS. Not bragging, I didn't do this for purpose but I think this record would be hard to beat. It was a pleasure guys.


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So, need to make sure the thread hit bumplimit.


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Confirmed. So, this is it for the oldest thread on 1chan. We did it. I hope you enjoyed it, guys, because I surely did. Thank you all who was monitoring this thread!

I think I shall create the new one soon. 1chan without 1520 would be too boring, wouldn't it?:)


Agreed, this has become one of my favourites.



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