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If anyone cares, posting update on the tram in Barcelona. For those unaware, QRD
>In 2004 a second gen tram was opened in Barcelona (no trams since '71)
>two systems were opened:
>one in the south reaching out into some burbs that lacked metro or train service,
>one in the north not reaching so far into the burbs and covering more parts of the city with bad coverage
>both systems run on part of one of the main thoroughfares, Diagonal avenue, which cuts diagonally (derp) through the grid pattern and crosses the city
>systems were meant to be joined together along this thoroughfare, creating a trunk line with branches
>NIMBYs are opposed, as they use that thoroughfare as an urban highway to go from the rich uptown to the city center

For 14 years we've been discussing 3,6 km of tram line which would have been an immense boon, as said thoroughfare lacks parallel rail service and bus lines on it are completely saturated. Current mayor wanted to finally get it done, got the project ready, but it didn't get through the city plenary.
That means no tram connection at least until after the next elections, and it's possible that the separatist issues will skew the vote in favor of anti-tram parties.
The arguments which we've heard over this tram connection would prolly make your brains bleed (can provide examples). It's been a pathetic first-world-problems-tier shitshow while public transport stagnates. This tram connection would have been hugely useful to make the tram actually convenient, while right now the popular southern system usually requires 2 subway transfers.
I'm actually quite saddened by this, so here I am venting my frustration. We could have had something awesome, instead the pro-car NIMBY richfags got their way once again.
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Are there many businesses in the immediate area? I know when they built the line down one of the main streets in Edinburgh businesses on that street reported drastically lower footfall, and the council had to pay out shitloads in subsidies to keep them afloat. Is there anything like that at play or is it literally just NIMBYs?


The street in question is somewhat of a commercial street, however precisely the part lacking a tram line has many closed shops and isn't doing well. That part of the street has literally 8 lanes plus 2 bus lanes, and very small sidewalks.
Sounds weird that a tram would hurt businesses, here wherever a tram was built business thrive. Howver the tram lines here have only been built on large streets which previously were very traffic-oriented.


It's the disruption caused by construction that tends to keep people away while it's going on (especially if it overruns by years), but then again if that part of Diagonal is already slightly run-down that would mean the effect would be lessened, and empty units present opportunities once it's finished.


if trams could run over strips of yellow plastic instead of rails both networks would be already connected

heck every street would have its tram

even water road would lol


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I don't get the reference.

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Does anyone have the remember, remember the 12th of September chatsworth copypasta?

Pic unrelated

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third rail > overhead

Look how neat it looks.
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6 gigawatts is 6 billion watts or over 500 F40PH. I don't see sny trainset pulling that kind of power.


2,515 F40PH locomotives


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I think this might be the case with Eurostar because it can have only 4 shoes for the whole trainset while Oka has whole 16 current collectors, two for each 0.68 MW KATP-2 (КАТП-2) traction drive set, just a small current for each shoe to handle.
>The killer on 3rd rail is resistance.
Although I doubt resistance is much of a problem for a very thick steel rail, while steel is less conductive than copper the 3rd rail has dozens times larger cross section. The loss of voltage might be due to current leakage into the ground which seem to me as a perfectly usual thing for the 3rd rail, especially in wet conditions.

Electric traction "outpowered" the diesel traction long time ago, dude. But damn, have you even read what was under that spoiler in >>4840 ?
spoiler: it's not 6 GW actually


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>>4839 just imagine this beauty with overhead wires, ugh


But it already has wires over head :P

And third rail cant do power because of the leakage to ground, especially when wet… or any time it dam well pleases if in DC


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Here is a story about the PCCs http://forgotten-ny.com/2014/02/red-hook-trolleys-removed/ we also have a parts car (one of the other PCCs that was there) problem is nothing wants to move so it will be a problem getting them in the shop


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Here are some tricks that thanks to me cost the museums $6,000.




So did you save them money in a deal so they cost ONLY $6k, or did you do something to them and they had to be replaced for $6k?


I heard we're gonna get a pair of Taylor electric trucks that is all I knew about it. It all started on Facebook where everybody with bitching at steam town for scrapping a central Vermont caboose I joined in on the bitching because we could have used some of those parts. Someone mentioned that while everybody was complaining about the scrapped caboose another wooden car with about to be scrapped. I took this information to RYPN and started a thread "wooden car needs home OR ELSE" This thread was very successful and a lot of people got together and he ended up saving the car. Guess where the trucks were that we're gonna get, yep under that car I just helped save. If the car got scraped then we would have gotten the trucks, the new owners arrested to SELL us the trucks for $6,000.

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The delayed entry into service of the class 385s (caused in part by issues with windscreens) has resulted in some unusual traction turning up on the newly-electrified Glasgow Queen Street-Edinburgh Waverley route. Initially some class 380s were borrowed from south of the Clyde, but that resulted in older class 314s filling in on Inverclyde services, which wasn't too popular with customers. Now, a number of off-lease class 365 Networkers have been brought up from London to fill in the gaps. Class 385s are starting to appear now, but the 365s are due to remain with Scotrail until next year.


At least you know where to go to for a smile.


That train's just happy because it ran over three neds and scored a six-pack of Buckfast.

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Where has the urban rail thread gone?

Ah well.
So heah, Länsimetro opened today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zGvhYRgBBE

They had the student orchestra to delight the early morning visitors, of whom there wandered a reasonable number, everyone thinking they'd be almost alone. Later the day very small coffee, cake slice, bag and mug ceremony. As it's saturday, some probably use the new instrument for bar crawl right away.

So yeah, urban rail - the armchair foamer's rail. Always things happening.
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> as a kind of feeder system to metro and local rail stations and doesn't reach all the way to the city center.

Well mostly yes, although I wouldn't compare it to bus as the tram is usually more "mainline" service having an advantage of more capacity and speed due to many tracks being isolated from traffic, you could say tram in Moscow is more than a simple streetcar but still less than a full-fledged LRT. There is one line in the city center though and SPB has plenty of them.

> That there was a some sort of wye reversing going on at the bigger network, Lesnaya street?

I said, it was a reversing headshunt. Why else would you think Moscow required the Tatra-based double-sided MTTA-2 trams working in back-to-back pairs for? Pic related, you can clearly see the doors on the "wrong" side, though here it is already separated and passed to Krasnopresnenskoe depot.

> But, if the networks were re-connected, it would happen through Leningrad ave?

Dude, it makes me really uncomfortable that you're putting it like it never gonna happen. Like you know something I don't. There was an official announcement on the very high level that until 2020 both Moscow tram networks will be re-connected. It will be fully historically new route from Ostankino loop of the Central network through Timiryazevskaya and to the Dmitrovskaya loop (on the pic related) of the Krasnopresnenskaya (smaller) network, most likely with this routing, SEE THE LINK https://goo.gl/WW7nx9 What is more interesting it is planned as a compensation for the Moscow Monorail which should be disassembled by that time, which makes sense as its integration to the transport network is close to zero and the dedicated tram line would be like 500x more convenient mean of getting around the place.


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And oh God almighty I pray this re-connection will happen as announced! Because the Transport Department is infamous for not always keeping its promises… well technically it does but some of them are easily put on hold for years upon years. Because recently there are some rumors this re-connection not gonna happen as the line will go only until Timiryazevskaya and some claiming that this not gonna happen at all with the monorail abomination (it sure looks nice and fun to ride but it is a nightmare from the transit point of view) retained to remain ridiculously unprofitable.

See, the problem with Moscow tram is that under current mayor it is in a strange state of what you could call a "positive stagnation". They sure care well about what is left from the tram system after Luzhkov's rampage, upgrading rolling stock in massive amounts and doing adequate repairs of existing tracks but with improbably rare exceptions they won't even move a finger to expand the network. Sure, they restored line to Sokol almost right after it was closed in Luzhkov's last months as a mayor and did that little expansion from Lesnaya to Belorusskiy rail terminal but that's it, 1.6 km for 8 years with only 300 m being new track (not restored right after recent deconstruction). So if they would keep their word and pull this trick with Ostankino-Dmitrovskaya line it will be an unprecedented success totally unseen since the collapse of USSR. What I like about this line (which should be connected to Ostankino) is that it is very cozy and authentic so it is kinda sad that for now it is just a long appendix with no branches, I think it will be much more interesting when it will end up in the middle of the unified network.


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Well this was needlessly harsh.

I studied a bit about the Sun Metro and it appears to be one of the saner transit authorities. Still, this doesn't change the fact that as things stand now, it's yet another figure of eight heritage streetcar.

There may be some translation issues, what is broadly a "tram" in queens English is a "light rail" US, there's really no good term for these "streetcars", because such systems aren't really built here.

>reversing headshunt
Right, should have looked up the term and not assume anything. Didn't know the double sided cars operated back to back. Now they make that much more sense.


I meant that it was a deviation in that a city (in Texas, no less) was building a new streetcar line AND using rebuilt vintage cars for the service.


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Bump. I'm lurking too, but no content, empty head.

Anyway, the home town tram project is chugging along. The original chedule called for a vote after the council summer holidays, but obviously that didn't happen. Instead the transport board announced it's going to review british light rail systems, namely Nottinghamn, Manchester and London.

I don't know what to take of that. I mean our transport board's thinking that the UK is the most appropriate prototype for for our town :( I still count it as a positive sign that that they are taking their time with this and observing all tram cities. They already went to Nantes and Malmö to see what it takes to make dedicated infrastructure for the buses only.

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There are train cancellations and line closures due to a heatwave in Sweden.

A Swede could easily translate the Australian alert code WOLO to Watch Out – Line Overheating.


This bong knows exactly how they feel. I suppose it's part of the trade-off in using welded rather than jointed track.


You just up inspections in high heat. From what I gather about this Euro heat wave is that the temps are high, but not abnormally high. It's just persistently high. Which isn't really a concern with the rail because you account for those high temps when you lay the rail and cut in and take out rail seasonally.

They've pretty well figured out how to make ribbon rail work in the American west, I think Europe ought to know as well.


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Would be curious to see how railways around the world are adapted to their climates. The WOLO boards in Sydney are opened when ≥38°C is forecasted but in practice the speed restrictions don't affect OTR that much and even on days above 45°C cancellations aren't a thing. On the flipside, I imagine the rails would just shatter if it ever got to -10°C.

Spain seems fine too. Can get properly hot but doesn't have the heat related cancellations either.

But then you have the UK where it goes above 35°C rails warp and aircon fails, rails shatter or the wrong type of snow in winter, leaves on the line in autumn, and insects in spring. Four distinct seasons just like Japan!

All of Sydney is CWR and does fine. Keep the fasteners really tight for stability~


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This sun kink is said to be on a bridge on the Bothnia Line in northern Sweden.



The image above was, I believe, shot in 2014.

I noted a few media stating that some of the sun kinks plaguing Swedish railways were caused by thunderstorms. I shall guess that hot and tense rails were either miscooled by rain and/or misheated by lightning.

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so when I was in san diego I saw a few trains pass by that were pretty cool really long and went on for a while carrying all sorts of great industrial things most likely but sometimes and these would come more often were the small amtrak trains which had an online university advertisement on them I despise these trains because

a) they are very short and just quickly pass by unintrestingly

b)im sure that online university is a trash cash grab

it's an eyesore to see

btw when I was in portland there were a lot of cool train yards by the river. also there was like a bike path that went right into them or something I went through it a few times always a good time
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WAIT, WHAT? In which component is ChME3 even remotely based on the RSD-1, with its fully original (and quite unique) running gear, original Czech DGU, and… wait again, are you saying that 8-axle twin-diesel Russian TEM14, or Czech 8-axle ChME5 or maybe even this 3-axle diesel-hydraulic TGM23B, for that matter, are all also copies of the RSD-1 just because they all dare to have the twin hood layout?

Dude, get over it, it was almost 70 years ago. TE1 was a copy of RSD-1, yes, but WHY does this have to make ALL Soviet/Czech/whatever else commie diesel locomotives its descendants? Is this like an STD?


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I seem to have struck a nerve - извени братан. I was merely trying to say they have a common heritage, ancestor if you will. It seems logical to me that they would continue to build upon and refine (and innovate). No offense was meant, merely stating my observations. The RSD-1/RS-1 is the progenitor of virtually all hood units IMO, and influenced various manufacturers around the world.

I did also mention that I quite like the Soviet hood units, so again, no offense meant.


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No, it really wasn't about offence, it was about that such statement is stupid. Combined with the fact that now it seems like 99% of US railfans believe that ALL Soviet diesel locos are based on the Alco. Do they even remember which country practically INVENTED the diesel locomotive itself? Also I was trying to make a dramatic entrance, LOL

Again, "influenced by" =/= "based on". Is it so hard for a loco designer to figure out that you have to narrow the machine compartment if you want to have one cab with view in both directions? And you know where else a similar idea was used before RSD-1? Exactly, steam locos! So the RSD-1 then is based on a steam loco as much as every commie twin-hood loco (except TE1, TEM1 and TEM2 obviously) is based on the RSD-1. Sounds kinda ridiculous, right?

And then this approach led to (and this IS quite offensive actually) misconception that Soviets couldn't do a thing withouе the US with claims that Buran is a copy of the Space Shuttle - because they look similar and screw everything else, that (ok, that's not the US one) AK47 family is a copy of STG44 - because… are you even serious?!, and even that the Tu-144 is a copy of the Concorde despite the fact Tu-144 was created literally BEFORE the Concorde!
I'm not a commie BTW but to not recognize everything which was made by thousands of brilliant engineers would be just beyond stupid.
Again, nothing personal here, this is mostly just general pondering about the thing which is getting more and more irritating as you keep browsing the Web.

Pic of anotrher totally-a-blatant-copy-of-the-RSD-1 with its 8 axles, V12 2000 HP diesel and an AC-DC impulse controlled tramsmission.


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Soviet engineers were very capable, but it's also true that they weren't shy about using reverse-engineered foreign parts as a starting point. Especially post-war when they had lots of lend-lease equipment floating around to study. The TE3 used a prime mover cloned from a Fairbanks Morse marine engine, which they eventually upgraded and added turbos to use in the TE10. Doesn't make it automatically bad, since they beat the original designers in implementing some of the upgrades they made. There's lots of other examples, like how late Soviet software runs in DOSBox coz their computers were carefully reverse-engineered from IBMs.


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True, but it's only part of the truth. There are two main things.
First, reverse engineering was a thing everywhere back in the days, but blaming Soviets so hardly in this is, consciously or unconsciously, a good mean to hide the opposite (captured MiG-25 anyone? Or the sold blueprints of Yak-141 to influence the F-35B later? For instance), just like a typical move used by every propaganda: claim yourself as a victim and hope thus nobody notice you did exactly the same to your opponent you presented as the abuser. No conspiracy intended.

Second, for anyone savvy on the subject this is kinda graceless to assume that if USSR copied one thing that every other thing you encounter is a priori a copy if it has even a sligtest resemblance to the pre-existing thing (or not even the pre-existing, remembering Tu-144 vs Concorde, I still hardly even grasp the logic of the people who went as far as claiming that the "copy" came BEFORE the "original").
This is a simple presumption of guilt which is never appropriate.

Spaeking of Fairbanks-Morse, the charging (actually, drewb, they used mechanical chargers and not the gas-turbine ones, which was part of the problem) it to 3000 HP was, and still is, a disaster, the 10D100 is exactly opposite of reliable and to tune it to the normal performance is almost impossible. That's why TE10s on your pis use the very successful Soviet (originally designed, BTW. Hear that? Originally! LOL) 5D49 V16 4-stroke turbodiesels.

In the end, I agree, reverse engineering is a blessing for the progress as a whole. But seeing it everywhere isn't right, regardless of implications.

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a small mess in Pittsburgh
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Nah, that's just how a derailment at speed works. They stack up instead of rolling over. The infamous Livingston derailment had about 40 cars derail. 30 of the derailed cars were only 250 ft. apart when it all ended.

Also, by train composition, a car is more likely to derail in the middle two quarters than either the first or last.


The light rail tracks are seriously fucked. Apparently they're using the street running tracks in Allentown as a diversion. I'm half considering making the 6 hour drive to Pittsburgh to get pics.


>Glass said the westbound train heading from northern New Jersey to Chicago consisted of three locomotives and 57 loaded intermodal rail cars, and was 7,687 feet (2,343 meters) long and weighed 4,838 tons (4,389 metric tons). Such trains primarily carry consumer goods such as appliances, clothes, electronics and food, he said.
>57 cars
>7700 ft
lolokay. I guess we're calling a 5 packer 1 car now.



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I bet someone was trying to thaw out lentils and spilled them by accident and that caused a brake failure :)

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Illinois Bicentennial Coin will feature a "very useful engine" https://illinois200.com/projects/illinois-bicentennial-medallion-design-contest/


Is it Thomas?


Yes, or more accurately the locomotive Thomas is based on.

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