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So why wouldn't we start the first RZD thread on the new 1chan?

As usual: I provide you with stuff, you provide me with questions and topics for discussion on the subject. Something like this basically.
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(Sorry for the thread jump)
They were custom modified and the engines replaced with Cats. Shop guy told me years ago that they ran into a problem during the rebuilds when they found a lot of sheets of lead in the locomotives floor boards. I believe they were 1 inch thick. Considered a hazardous material they had to have special personal protection in place and then a safe disposal plan. I forgot how much they actually found in each locomotive but I do remember it was a lot. An extra expense they did not expect.
(We now return to our regularly scheduled Russian train thread)


I prefer the RZD scheme like in #4028. I like the way the stripe jogs upwards and then to the back.


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The site is dormant…


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What's up with your weather?


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45 m/s winds


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Yeah, something similar also was a thing about three weeks ago. 16 fatalities and a few delays on Moscow railway due to fallen trees. The winds were 30 m/s though.

But this is way more spectacular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU3sRrMKK5Y - The long one (the speeds are probably limited due to water)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvojYYXYhuQ - The short one (they don't really care. Probably because this isn't a station)


Damn. Got any more?


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Sure, but not as vivid as the first two. There aren't even really other decent photos of flooded tracks. Apparently not many fans of being outside in such weather, especially with a camera.


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I wonder if there are steering cars in Russian trains. I know you've used dummy locomotives in consists.

Hi. So I don't need an excuse for a blog post because at least someone's missed me :)

So Last year I was unemployed, happily hauling around junkies on pizza pay with my junk car, sucking state tit and doing whatever. Lovely people. Around February I applied and got into this apprenticeship program, a really good one, in a ship yard as pipe routing AutoCAD guy, properly through the unemployment agency, so at least the paperwork has been a breeze and, ehm, the size my state tit almost doubled too :) But Still, I needed to move into a new city (from Pori, Vähärauma, 28600 to Turku, Perno, 20240) under three weeks notice, I was on a 50-day fast at the time (to have a break from the junkie friends). That was fun.

So the spring and early summer has been busy settling down time at the evenings and weekends, driving around listening to the google bitch moan to my ear in a "big" (it's relative!) new city, trying to locate various knick-knacks. The most frustrating feeling by the way in that is knowing exactly where to get the things in the old city. Also few the of my raggy social relations have been pulling me around.

Managed to snap this pic while on quick babby's first bike tour with my pal, early June (One thing I needed weeks worth of evenings to locate everything). Sober guy. About the only thing sober in summer I fear, alarming amounts of pot has burned. Yeah, I was about to promise to go to take a pic from an old rail tractor, but but that same guy is urgin me on a fucking bike tour again. We'll see, if I come across any railroad relics or anything.


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If you mean non-motorized cars with cab which rely on locomotive, on ex-Soviet railroads there is a term (монокабина) for these which translates as monocab. Dunno if this is even a thing here but I may stick to it anyway.

Not particularly in Russia but in Belarus and Ukraine there are four types of "DMUs" which are using monocab cars (DRB1, DDB1 and DPL1 and DPL2), one type (DDB1) is made on Russian Demihovskiy engineering works. They have 3-6 cars including monocab and adapted unit of two-unit 2M62U locomotive. DPL2 is using 2TE116 unit, all of them now are on the Lugansk republic's territory so who knows what's up with them now. Maybe some of them are still used but for obvious reasons it is hard to keep track of them.
Oh, and also there is MDP type in Belarus which is a proper DMU but only one car is motorized so the other one is monocab… if this counts. I rode one of those.


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Follows shitty station platform pictures from Tampere.

An articulated car carriage.


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The train had one open car carriage, several of the closed articulated kind.

My camera is a potato.

"This is an InterCity train to Pori. Our following stops are at… Nokia, Karkku, Vammala, Kokemäki and Pori. This train has an minibistro trolley that sells hot and cold refreshments and little salties to the compartments (or something crazy like that) - Have a pleasant journey."


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Long train is long, probably the mainline sleeper to north.


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And these two hanging around in pair pull configuration could be its engines. Sr1:s in mainline are getting rare


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On my 4 car InterCity to Pori an sr1 is to be expected.


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Also managed to get a sip of an edo face.


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Actually I'm not done with your question yet :)
As for RZD itself, I think the monocab (or steering car if you wish) concept is heavily overlooked here. Apart from DDB1 made for BCh there is even actual groundwork for these in the shape of Transmashholding's double-deck cars and I think some single-deck models (all product of TVZ) which are equipped with a digital bus which can connect all cars and the locomotive into the common network but as far as I know it was never used other than on tests or at least never connected to a locomotive (being used only between cars) but it looks like the main point of this whole system is to provide a technology for operation of monocabs (steering cars). But the main problem is there isn't any cars with cabs in the TVZ's lineup while it would be actually useful to have such trains as Moscow - Voronezh - Moscow express being able to operate in both directions without uncoupling from a loco. The other problem is that only EP10 and EP20 locomotives support this technology and other passenger locomotives do not have multiple unit sockets at all and cargo-passenger locomotives or road switchers which also work with passenger (only suburban in case of switchers) trains have hardware-based multiple unit technology so apart from using top-tier dual-system 7200 kW locomotives you would need to modernize a locomotives which are expected to work with monocabs. Actually that's basically the treatment that 2M62Us and 2TE116s got to be paired with the aforementioned "pseudo-DMUs".


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But I think in case of RZD it would be useful only for <400-km range trains with only places for sitting, the niche (if we are talking of intercity service) which is currently being taken over by Lastochka EMUs (Siemens Desiro modified and produced by Ural railway engineering works of Sinara Group), by the way a bad decision but that's not the point, so there are only a few trains like Bryansk of Voronezh express trains or also not a whole lot of regional suburban trains which aren't DMUs (which often use just random unused FPK's passenger cars and random loco) for which this technology could be used so it isn't much real perspectives. But still RZD could order from Transmashholding these 160 km/h double-deckers with monocabs for these Bryansk and Voronezh rapid trains (or also the upcoming double-deck express from Rostov-na-Donu to Adler) and connect them to EP20 locomotives which are already used with them and that's probably the only case which will benefit from this technology but… probably RZD have never even looked into this.


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Well I hope 1524 is satisfied with my as always overly complicated and boring answer.

> Long train is long

Oh, really? And here I am with >>4199 a 14-car double-deck train with one thousand three hundred sixty seats (that's the world record for the regular train as far as I'm concerned)…

*being sarcastic of course. If I would be really snobby about number of cars than there will come USA to crush my ego under their 32-ton axle load. Still we have longer passenger trains than them:)


>Still we have longer passenger trains than them:)

Longer bread lines too… I kid!





I really like these two pictures!

Fantastic info here btw. While I may not comment often, your Russian train threads are a source of interest to me. My curiosity also extends to Russian far east, from about Lake Baikal to the Kamchatka Krai region. Beautiful country around there.


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I'm still here by the way.


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A bit more than two weeks and this thread turns one year!


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Eleven cars? Does that mean the EP20’s driver can move the hyperspace lever to Plaid? (hoary old “Spaceballs” joke)


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EP20 with its 7200 kW and 129 t of adhesive weight can do SOOOO much more than that… IN FACT this beast is equipped to haul (up to) 60-car rapid container trains (ie it can easily move about 4000 tons being officially considered a "passenger" machine) yet this practice is only planned.

Actually Transmashholding have updated EP20 series in late '16. Shame on me, for a long time have I planned to do a small overview of this and EP20 in general but still haven't done it yet.


It will be interesting to see how the EP20 manages to outcool the ES64 Taurus.

>>4609 – And for the future reader that know nothing of Spaceballs, Ludicrous Speed or plaid hyperspace…



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> how the EP20 manages to outcool the ES64 Taurus

Is this about the new look?

> And for the future reader that know nothing of Spaceballs, Ludicrous Speed or plaid hyperspace…

Ohhh, yes, only now I've remembered this scene! Didn't seen the whole movie but this scene once made me want to watch it.
Actually, this is very true. EP20 with anything less than 1000 tons makes (rather gently nonetheless) your vestibular apparatus believe you are in a metro train.


>>4625 – The look isn’t bad, but I was thinking more of works. It is already more powerful, but learning how well it deals with heat and cold and all that will be interesting. You do, after all, have just about every known kind of weather in the Really Big White North.

And Spaceballs… it is a Mel Brooks movie. It is this loony from first fade-in until last fade-out. Their radar jamming is something to savour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVRjvhnZOXA and


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Hey, today this thread turns whole one year! And also it is in bumplimit now. Let's honor the oldest thread on this site (almost as old as this site itself since it changed the owner).

Also I've cheated a bit. I have deleted one my post for this thread to pop up on the front page one last time.


Top quality thread, Parovoz. I love these cooky russian machines and the goregous places they run. Here's to the next bunch!


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Thanks for the quality content.


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Thank you. If only there would be a little more interaction…
But wait, why does this thread still go up?

What are these anyway?


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Nice that you asked. These are the rail tractors I mentioned in June >>4169, copy of German Breuer design. They have been chilling at the end of a stub track in Turku rail yard (freight side) for the whole summer, so it wasn't that hard a spotting job, I've just been busy/lazy. They have been sold to Haapamäki rail museum, the beaten up Tve1 shunter is still a working unit in Turku roundhouse- since 1964.

39 units Mmde by Valmet in 1956-1959 and given littera "Trr", but usually known as "kisko Kalle" meaning "track Carl", by royal name translation convention… Wow, we actually still do that - the Swedish kung is know as "Kaarle Kustaa" in Finnish. (By cartoon character name translation it'd be "popeye".)

But enough rambling, the idea with these is to be short and light enough to fit into a turntable with their load. They are only 3.5 m long and weight 6 t and had 80-105 hp engine, Tampella 504A / Deutz F6L-514 / Volvo MD 67C. There is also a hydraulic lift for gaining extra traction by raising the other end of a pulled vagon. With tailwind they can move about 400 tonnes 20 km/h. People say it is earplug loud in the cab, as it is directly above the engine.

Also took a picture of "porduck" statue, far and with shitty phone camera, but it counts - there's railway too. (This is between Turku station and Kupittaa, from university's parking lot.


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And I kept digging a little more. The Tampella engine actually ran on petrol. And these were made by Tampella, not Valmet.

Here some stolen pixels again, pulling estimated 186 tonnes.

Maybe the bump limit is 200 hidden posts.


>>4768 – Breuer? No wonder it reminded me of something. The Danes had some Breuers, too. Found a pic of one, FFJ M1207, now serving on the Limfjord Railway. It’s nicknamed The Wardrobe. Rumour has it that it hauled passenger trains at times during WW2.

Driver’s Manual for the critter (all ten pages of it):




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So essentially they are what we would call a motovoz (Kleinlokomotive as known in Europe apparently) but man, I didn't know they can be THAT small. I would never thought this thing can move on its own. First I assumed this is some non-motorized maintenance thingy.
Our TMV-2 hyrail traction module by the big scary Uralvagonzavod, which is essentially a small Chetra (Chelyabinsk tractor works) tractor chassis with the hyrail equipment, is even bigger.


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In fact here in Russia the definition of the motovoz, auto-draisine and railcar have kinda merged into one kind of apparatus which looks mostly like this.
Even though the names (and even corresponding Wiki pages) are still different, it looks like it is mostly up to the manufacturer how to name its another cute little creation.

So what are the buplimit now? It looks the thread still goes up like the immortal Lenin.
By the way the 100th anniversary of the October Revolution anyone?


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Or like this. You got the idea.

Oh. And I forgot to say officially on RZD they are all known as SSPS or special self-propelled rolling stock if translated.


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And even this 82-ton 500 HP monstrosity by Remputmash is still known as railcar (avtomotrisa).

By the way this thing is very unique. It is a freakin' LEGO on the rails, both working modules and cab modules are detachable and can be swapped literally on the go by the included crane (you can see on the farther side) and yes, farther to the crane module is on some moving platform so the crane can reach it too or some other crane and it seems it's the regular fittings so you can even load here a 20-feet container by some strange reason. Thus, this thing can do literally anything you want to from moving people and cargo to repairing catenary, digging, dragging, drilling etc.

I'm actually curious, does any country have something similar to this or is it our original design? Never seen anything similar before, not in the railcar form anyway.


I've certainly never seen anything like that before. That's wild!


>>4790 – A two-axled locomotive is also referred to as a ‘tractor’ in various places. A ‘switching tractor’ is a small switcher that may be driven by a yardman with the proper ticket.


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On Space-1520 every vehicle created with the sole purpose of moving cars is designated as locomotive (a teplovoz which usually refers to a diesel locomotive if it has ICE as a prime mover), regardless of how small it is. Like this TGM23B for instance.

By the way forgive my limpy English, I just gave up doublechecking my messages for mistakes before submitting (whether for saving time or because of excessive self confidence, I'm not sure myself). Because of fast pace of typing and a shitty keyboard I make a lot of grammar mistakes and typos in both languages, they are just much harder to spot in a non-native one.


You've been making typos? News to me.


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That's pretty rad gear. In microcosmos-1524, it's all Tka6-Tka8, called "rail lorries", even if, as dissected little below, show a wide pedigree of origins.

I can't find the exact number in service, but 29, 80 and 25 were manufactured. Tka6 by a little company "Saarlahti" based on refurbished freight truck bodies and they also made the only Tka9 around in 2007. Tka7 was inhouse job by VR, Tk8 too, but based on an earlier light shunter Tve4. (Not unlike >>4768) The usual rules of outsourced motors, electronics etc. anything but black iron welding really, probably apply.

These were originally based on real lorry bodies and designated as the errand engines in the least of the lest stations, to shunt only few cars at the time. Somewhere on the line it started to mean this specialized track maintenance vehicle.

Tka7 was nicknamed "Simo", after the supervisor in the workshop (in Kuopio) that assembled these.

Does it have a nickname equal to "wanker?"

It went by name "outhouse" as well.

Nice reading, this weird Swedish. Thanks for sharing.


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>These were originally based on real lorry bodies and designated as the errand engines in the least of the lest stations

To clarify, some units were, but most went straight to track maintenance duty. By experience with these, as tonnages grew, it became clear that a "light shunter" was a dying breed.

Here's a real rail lorry, by Sisu.

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